Political Correctness Gone Awry

[El Dingo]

So - "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is too 'Rapey':  SF Chronicle article

I had a discussion with my semi-butch lesbian co-worker about this and we were both disgusted with this new attack on historical attitudes about women, LBGT etc. that are expressed through cultural norms.

Does the derogative 'Faggot' mean The Pogue's "Fairytale of New York" make it a 'hate' song?

Do we draw a line in modern cultural sand that exonerates the Beastie Boys and other rap groups about LBGT comments as a 'primitive, uneducated statement' or do we give them a pass.

I always felt uncomfortable about (primarily) rap artists who called women 'bitches' or 'hoes' but secretly dig Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dog.

I compare this to the stupid fucking rednecks in the south defending their Confederate statues.

How do I defend my love of classic rock where women are relegated to 'Baby' status in this '#metoo' era'?

[King Bob]

The "Baby It's Cold Outside" controversy seems to me to be about people wanting to claim certainty about the meaning of a song, and that's absurd. And they want to enforce their "truth" on everyone. It made me think of all of RAW's commentary about Aristotelian logic and reality tunnels, and that sadly nothing has changed since he started writing that 40 years ago.

I don't want to say that a lot of things aren't problematic, but this is a bit much.

[Drunk Monk]

As soon as we win the war on Xmas, then you’ll know.

[Dr. Ivor Yeti]

Meh, it sounds “rapey” in today’s culture, but always seemed more like a seduction and not forced to me. Misogynist rap music, however, is nasty, period. Someone is always going to hate your music. This current kerfuffle will die down in a week or two and then go away.

Times change, interpreations change, some new interpretations are flat out wrong.

I can’t use the term “Niggardly” any more because people don’t have a vocabulary and would rather file a complaint than look it up.

I like the movie “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” but can’t watch it now because of Mickey Rooney’s horribly racist part. It’s too painful to watch.

So, I dunno, ED. Listen to what you like and tell the haters to fuck off, I guess.

[King Bob]

I guess it's still not as bad as "Run for Your Life" by the Beatles anyway.

[Drunk Monk]

Baby, It's Cold Outside needs to have the duet roles reversed.  I'm thinking Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper.

Either that or ICP should cover it.  

'Say, what's in this drink?'

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always seemed more like a seduction and not forced to me.

Hold the phone.  You said 'I can't find my glasses, Deb' was seduction.  

[Dr. Ivor Yeti]

See? I know seduction.

[Drunk Monk]

Chicago Sun Times just published a list of 20 NPC songs.  Topping the list was Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting.  I hear some NPC peeps play that at weddings.  I just posted the artcle on KFM -http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?60335-Everybody-was-Kung-Fu-Fighting-by-Carl-Douglas&p=1311889#post1311889

That being said, I'm all for outing old songs/traditions/movies/statues/whatev for their NPC-ness.  Not much we can do about it now, really, but that history is so deep and embedded.  It's good to point out the issues.  Doesn't mean you have to stop listening to them or playing them.  You just need to be woke.  

As a side note, and in all seriousness, right now I'm counseling a friend who was raped.  She's a young bright nursing student.  It's very tragic because it was faculty and the university is protecting him.  She still has a few years to finish her degree and it has put her in a very precarious position.  She's suffering from severe PTSD and paranoia.  I've worked with rape victims before but never with a university factor like this. Over the summer, I went through a rape crisis awareness class - it was something I volunteered for with some friends who work psych with me at festivals.  Sexual assault at festivals has been a growing problem over the last few years.  On top of that, I'm working with an author, another rape survivor, to bring her story to KFM.  It's delicate for so many reasons. 

When you bear witness to the damage done, you have no mercy for these motherfucking rapists or anyone who might condone or protect them, or even just turn a blind eye.

[Greg]

So, nudity in films? Should that just go away? I'm torn on this issue. How can you tell if the woman in the film is doing it because she wants to or has no choice?

[King Bob]

"Kung Fu Fighting" is probably one of the milder (as in less creepy) songs in that list, but I am not denying it's offensive. (But someone should sample Whoa Ho Ho Ho part because it's really catchy.)

[Drunk Monk]

"Kung Fu Fighting" is probably one of the milder (as in less creepy) songs in that list, but I am not denying it's offensive. (But someone should sample Whoa Ho Ho Ho part because it's really catchy.)

Meh, I'm just annoyed by it because I hear it so damn much.  But it was Ziggy Marley who told me himself that Carl Douglas was Jamaican, so it's all good.

[King Bob]

You can probably blame Kung Fu Panda for bringing it back. Or just blame Jackie Chan. Or Jack Black. Whichever you prefer.

Read your post about that as your intro music at the wedding. They should have used something from Lee Scratch Perry's "Enter the Dragon".

[Drunk Monk]

They should have used something from Lee Scratch Perry's "Enter the Dragon".

You know me too well, old friend. At least musically speaking. Tg & I missed you atDRONES

[El Dingo]

Apparently there is a new non-PC entry into the fray.

One of my favorite Xmas songs, The Pogues "Fairytale of New York".

It really calls into question, when do we blanket censor all offending art and literature to match existing norms?

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/...gay-slurs/

https://www.stereogum.com/2025451/the-po...nsor/news/

This quote really made me blow milk through my nose:

“I asked the two gay members of my team how they feel, since faggot is their N word. If people want to slur the gay community, this is their most powerful weapon,” McDermott wrote on Twitter. “One favours censoring, the other outright not playing it. Neither like it. Simples.”

So, the guy accused of anti-gay slurs has two gay members on his team (and is sensitive to their feelings) doesn't care if they censor the song or not.

What does this mean to contemporary artists and writers who want to reproduce an era of hatred, bigotry and ignorance.

I really want to see where "Blazing Saddles" ends up.

Hopefully not on a bonfire.

Lyrics:

It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you

Got on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a feeling
This year's for me and you
So happy Christmas
I love you baby
I can see a better time
When all our dreams come true

They've got cars big as bars
They've got rivers of gold
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the old
When you first took my hand
On a cold Christmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me

You were handsome
You were pretty
Queen of New York City
When the band finished playing
They howled out for more

Sinatra was swinging,
All the drunks they were singing
We kissed on a corner
Then danced through the night
The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day

You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy faggot
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last

The boys of the NYPD choir
Still singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day
I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you

I kept them with me babe
I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you
The boys of the NYPD choir
Still singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells are ringing out
For Christmas day

[King Bob]

Forgot about that song. It is a great one. And this made me think - this song is kind of like a short story, with the two characters talking, so the words are theirs, and they're insulting each other in that stanza. And I think the slut/faggot exchange rings true to the characters. So are we now in a situation like banning Huckleberry Finn (or many other old books for that matter) for using the N-word? Maybe I'm overthinking this.

I guess enjoy some songs in private.