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Lem
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Stanislaw Lem is dead.
I'm putting this in the book section because, well, he wrote books.
He may have been my biggest influence.
The Cyberiad -- Tales of the Cybernetic Age was the first book of his I read, and I suppose it remains my favorite. The Futurological Congress got to me too. Memoir Found in a Bathtub as well. There was also The Investigation, and the last work of his I read, Fiasco. I believe most of these works were translated into English by Michael Kandel, who did an absolutely brilliant job (Lem uses lots of puns and plays on words).
Solaris has never been directly translated into English. I'm not certain of the exact path it took to our language, but it wasn't direct. Anyway, maybe that's why I found it dry and boring, despite a great premise.

I've read maybe seven of his books. In searching the Web, I see I've missed a fair number. I will have to catch up now -- belatedly, as usual.

I might as well bring up "The Lem Affair." Perhaps you've heard of it. In the mid-70s, with Lem's reputation soaring, SFWA (Science Fiction Writers of America) presented Lem with an honorary membership. But shortly thereafter, a Lem article was published which condemned American science fiction in the harshest terms. Some American SF writers -- notably, Philip Jose Farmer, threatened to quit the organization unless Lem was tossed out. Farmer claimed that Phil Dick was in agreement and would quit as well. Phil Dick later denied this, but by this time Phil Dick was pretty much a basket case (writing letters to the FBI, claiming that Lem was not a person but a communist organization that was infiltrating America by means of literature). Anyway, it's not clear how many threatened to quit, but apparently lots of pressure was put on SFWA, which did yank Lem's honorary membership. If the above is basically true, it speaks poorly of the organization. But the details have been disputed.

I actually had an opportunity to ask Damon Knight (founder of SFWA) about The Lem Affair. He felt it had been blown out of all proportion. The points he made were, 1) Lem never had an interest in being a member of SFWA, 2) Lem lacked balance, manners and social skills in his attacks on other writers -- in other words, he himself was known to overreact.
Those are not Knight's exact words, but I think it's close to his meaning. Having told me that, Knight paused, then added, "But he's a brilliant man. Absolutely brilliant." And Knight's eyes were reflective, full of admiration.

I recall reading an article by Jerry Pournelle, who may have been President of SFWA at the time this all went down. Again, I could be wrong. But Pournelle's stance was that the honorary membership was withdrawn due to evidence (not entirely direct) that Lem did not want the membership. Pournelle went on to say that he had tried to read Lem, but found it utterly boring -- suggesting that Lem never really deserved being an honorary member in the first place. When I read this remark, my opinion of Pournelle went from lofty to zero. He essentially attacked the person rather fairly addressing the issue. Talk about a logical fallacy. Also, Pournelle is a very good science writer with some rudimentary prose skills, while Lem is a brilliant storyteller who just happens to be a brilliant scientist as well. Pournelle simply was not qualified to pass any such judgment.

A long time ago I read a book of critical essays by Lem where he trashed American SF. Interestingly, he allowed for a certain amount of American talent, citing Damon Knight and (if I recall correctly) LeGuin for their scholarship and critical eye.

Anyway, enough chatter. I need to revisit Lem.

--cranefly
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I read The Cyberiad when I was a teen and it was the first time I had ever read anything funny from Eastern Europe. I enjoyed the satire very much. I tried Solaris and ended up cycling it out the airlock. Dr. Bob has more Lem experience than I, so I hope he will add more to the discussion.

What was Lem a scientist of?

I always thought of Niven as "the writer" and Pournell as the military/republican/ curmudgeon with all of the human insight of Michael Crichton.
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I think my love of illiteration was born of the Cyberiad. A truly great read. I read it as a teen as well and it stands in memory as one of my all time favorite sci-fi works (but truth be told, I was more into fantasy than Sci Fi). I think that was the only Lem I've read. I saw the original Solaris - I think I saw it with ED at the New Varsity in Palo Alto. It was a horridly boring film, except for one random hallucination scene where a midget suddenly ran in through an airlock and ran out again. No explanation or follow up was ever offered. It was in such sharp contrast to the rest of the film. At least that's how I remember it, although it may have been that I was so bored that I fell asleep and dreamt the midget. It wouldn't be the first time that happened. I never engaged the new film version. The thought of Clooney and another midget just terrified me.

RIP Lem.
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You know, probably 15 years ago I taped the Russian version of Solaris off PBS, then loaned it to a friend before watching it. He never returned it. So I haven't seen it.

I did see the new Clooneyfied Solaris. It's actually not a bad movie. But it's not Solaris. A whole different focus.

Anyway, sorry the midget got to you DM.

Oh, before you go to bed, you might want to take a look at this: http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~madison/wors...dwarf.html
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not gonna do it. not taking that bait. i'll look tomorrow when the sun is shining. there's way too many bad things on the net and a link that says worst/freaks/dwarf just doesn't sound like what i want to open right now. i want a good night's sleep tonight.
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Was that the movie that ED tried to show us once? I remember him showing some European dwarf movie that started out painfully dull, then went to this scene where one female dwarf picked the scab off another's leg and ate it rather casually. At that point, we all bailed out of the film and demanded ED show us something else.
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For me, Lem's best work is the short stories, particularly the Ijon Tichy and Pirx ones. One of them has a brilliant and hilarious use of changing past due to time travel paradox. For some reason I never got all the way through The Cyberiad. The novels seemed to wander a bit.

I enjoyed the Clooney Solaris, although like CF said, nothing like the book. It's much more in line with some of the films based on PK Dick, with the "What is real?" angle. But it, along with The Limey, are Soderbergh's two best films. I think most of the rest of his work is crap.
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I owe King Bob an apology. I was going to write that there was no chance Soderbergh directed the Limey. IMDB set me straight.

I liked Soderberghs' version of Ocean's Eleven. It had a fair twist and lot's of style. Ocean's Thirteen is going to suck, though.
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I thought Oceans 12 was actually more entertaining than Oceans 11. The Sinatra original 11 was better because they didn't get the money at the end. Plus Sammy Davis sang a hilarious song - and he was a garbageman.

Greg: if 13 will suck, do you think you'll be working on it?
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It actually takes the Cyberiad 100 pages to get going (in fact, I remember back in the '80s giving the book to a friend and telling him not to give up until page 100).
I believe that generally holds true for Lem's other humorous novels.
He starts out rough and overly simplistic -- and I nearly gave up on the Cyberiad as well. But he just keeps pushing that snowball, and packing all kinds of things into it, until eventually you're not quite sure what that big convoluted thing is rolling towards you, but it's impressive.

It's an unfortunate style trait, because a lot of people give up, and I can't really blame them.

I'll have to revisit the Ijon Tichy and Pirx short stuff. For some reason I didn't get into those. I've been trying to check out his work from the Mountain View library, but some BASTARD has a lot of it checked out right now.
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There is a chance I will be working on 13. I'll be making the call in a few weeks when Dreamgirls grinds to it's end.
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Okay, I'll give the Cyberiad another shot. I do remember being quite amused by one of the stories in the early part of the book; I seem to remember that I lost interest because after a good start I got to a point where there were a couple of weak pieces. I did like the whole thing about Klapaucius and the other constructor challenging each other.

Cranefly, you can always go to ABE.com for the other Lem books. A quick check showed one of the Pirx books for under $2, very good condition. Or sometimes you see them at Bookbuyers in Mtn View, but never a very good price - unless you have some trade credit. (In fact I find a lot of their prices to be high; I've pretty much given up on them. Mass market paperbacks are still a good buy though.)
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#13
Time for some Thai boxing midgets
http://www.gougoule.com/midget/
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#14
That should have been titled "Thai Midgets With Boxing Gloves Trying Out for WWE Smackdown!"
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#15
...you can't fake midgets.
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